With any sport, practice is important. But, we must know our limits and stay away from injuries due to overworking our bodies. It's also important not to form bad habits while practicing our craft as this can lead to injuries that could have been avoided. Charles Reynolds sent in a question that I think really touches on this subject.
"Surge, your video today is timely. I have tennis elbow from golf. Seems to have developed while accenting the rotation of my arms to get full extension at the point of impact. Any suggestions about the conscious rotation and/or what to do about soreness on the outside of left elbow? I am right handed. Thanks."
Well Charles, there could be a few different reasons why you're having some pain in your elbow. First, you could be overextending your left elbow at address and during the takeaway. I recently played with a young friend of mine who was hyperextending his left elbow at address so much to the point that his inner elbow was facing skyward. He didn't even realize he was doing it until I stopped him and told him to look at where his elbow was. Being in his 20s, his body recovers much faster so I believe that his youth played a role in averting golfer's elbow. My point is that he didn't even feel this was happening, so take a look at your elbows at address and in the takeaway to see if you're overextending.
Another possible reason for golfer's elbow is overwork. I can remember years ago, I used to hit balls for hours and hours and never had any problems with pain. I could hit any club in the bag with no problems, but for some reason whenever I hit my driver a lot, I'd start to feel some pain. So, from that point forward, I would only hit the driver a few times when practicing because I knew if I overworked it I could succumb to an injury.
Finally, you've got to take care of your body. If that means icing your elbow when you get home from the course or adding some heat to loosen it up, than do it. If the pain persists, see a physician. Also, taking pain medicine will only mask the pain, but the damage is still being done to your body. So, take a few days off and see how it feels and if you feel it's serious enough, go see a doctor to find out what's really wrong.
Keep it vertical and pain free!
The Surge!
Don Trahan
PGA Master Professional
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Yes I have been burdened with
Yes I have been burdened with tennis elbow for a couple of months now, which is work related, & has effected my golf. what I have found that helps me play without pain is a tip that DJ gave us a while backÃÂ , is to turn my elbow in just a little, as we doÃÂ with the back elbow in the master setup, but to a lesser extent. I should mention that the problem elbow is in my leading arm , not the back. It has made me pull a few more shots than normal, but I'm also getting a draw more often with the driver. When I take my normal setup , with a straight left arm , & it does'nt feel comfortable, I'll just rotate the back of the elbow in towards my body a bit, to open the inside of the elbow up, Just a bit, until it feels good to go. This could possibly aggrevate a golfers elbow, I'm not sure,never had one, but lets me play pain free with a tennis one
Steve,
Steve,
I did not see your post before posting mine about the registering and signing in process. I'll give yours a try, without signing in and see how it goes. Either way I really like seeing the hole and green layout.
http://swingsurgeon.com
http://swingsurgeon.com/DailyV... may help you with that problem.
Steve,
Steve,
I recall my Grandfather saying when I was a kid..."The world's going to hell in a handbasket."ÃÂ I had no idea what he meant.
Nothing against Greece, but I sure don't like the prospect of becoming them.
Gramp O'bryan was wise way beyond his years.ÃÂ I guess it's time to buy stock in the same pond scum we used to clear to go swimming when I was a kid.
Elbow tenderness could also
Elbow tenderness could also be caused by using a weak grip in either and / or both hands.
I had a similar problem, but
I had a similar problem, but it was checkout stand #5.
Yes, I am looking forward to
Yes, I am looking forward to it. I am still a Tiger fan, so I'd like to see him win in a close competitive match.
ÃÂ You've got that right.
ÃÂ You've got that right. The cow pasture of a course where I first started playing has very little grass, even on the greens, no irrigation system at all, and as much rock in the dirt as dirt in the dirt. Ha ha!
Needless to say it didn't take long to learn to hit the ball trying to avoid ground impact but also being in a position to absorb the shock without my teeth rattling out and breaking my wrist.
Not to say that any of us can't be hurt on any swing though, no matter what we do, or tying our shoes in the morning for that matter, but we can reduce the chances. The right elbow slightly bent and never flipping at the ball, letting club head catch or pass the hands before impact can absorb most of the shock if we mess up.
I've hit roots that I never knew where there just under leaves or pine straw, completely stopping the club, more than my fair share of times with full swings and luckily was always in good enough position to not get hurt at all on any of them. Part of not getting hurt on those is luck at part is not.
You may be seeing something
You may be seeing something better than what I'm seeing, I don't know. I've never tried signing in for anything.
All the one I am seeing is showing is the layout of the hole and where the shots go and then once they are on the green it reloads to show more of a closeup of the green.
It was a good round, and he
It was a good round, and he continued to move up the leader board after he got to the club house. Another good round tomorrow should help him on the money list and keep him steady or improving a bit in the FedEx race. Solid work out there, with just a couple places where his chipping let him down (left him long to mid-range putts rather than tap-ins). Of course, we don't know the exact circumstances of those chips, since he didn't get any airtime (like 90% of the field), so we don't know anything about his lies or the slopes he was dealing with.
Greece does seem to be in
Greece does seem to be in flames, everyone knows that Greece fires are the hardest to put out.
DJ tees off with Jeff Overton
DJ tees off with Jeff Overton at 10am (EST). Lets pull for him to pick up where he left off on the three birds in a row Friday. Avoid Mr. bogie and score well Deej!
Should be interesting to see if Tiger can keep the lead today. I'll be working but see if I can catch some of the golf between clients. Hope everyone has a good weekend.
Get out and play golf all!
ÃÂ Steve,
ÃÂ Steve,
Weird stuff. Without signing in, I am unable to get the animated hole to display with yours, or my old method. I have no idea why, but when I click on any name while in shot tracker full field view, it simply adds that name to a top line category "My Leaderboard" which displays just above the full field shot tracker leaderboard, and only has a single line update as each shot is played.
At least I can access the animation by signing in to the site.
I can relate to the triffer
I can relate to the triffer finger problem.ÃÂ Middle finger on my left hand.ÃÂ So far I've been able to deal with it,ÃÂ I've developed it on my right hand pinkie finger and since I use a baseball grip it's a problem.
I've switched to an overlap grip and it allows me to play.ÃÂ Still getting used to it though.ÃÂ The book you mentioned sounds interesting.
For those looking to follow
For those looking to follow along on Shot Tracker or another service, DJ is on the first tee.
In response to Charles'
In response to Charles' letter to Surge about the 'tennis elbow" issue, I'd like to add my 2 cents worth. Several years ago when I first started playing golf and didn't really understand the swing, I had a tendency to turn the club over after impact to stop slicing the ball. I was literally flipping the clubhead over at, or after contact, wrenching the arms, and causing way too much stress on the outside of my left arm at the elbow. After I smartened up and sought some golf instruction and learning why the the ball does what it does, I haven't had any elbow issues at all. And the sweet thing is the ball pretty much goes where I want it to go. Of course errant shots will occur every now and then but I'm not on tour so it's okay. Good luck Charles, I know how painful the tennis elbow can be. The bottom line is, don't over rotate.
ÃÂ It's pretty much the same
ÃÂ It's pretty much the same as you say, which is what I was able to get, up to a few weeks ago. I have no idea why mine just goes to a different format than it used too when I follow the same sequence, but it does.
So, I figured I'd register, sign in, and see if there were any differences. It worked and now I can see what I used to see.???????
That reminds me of the course
That reminds me of the course in Grenada. As I recall it's a one stroke penalty if you hit one of the cows. ;-)
Thanks Robert, I always seem
Thanks Robert, I always seem to forget.
Surg, I had tennis elbow in
Surg, I had tennis elbow in both arms that was so severe I had to give up golf for two years. My problem ÃÂ was caused from trying to use a stronger grip (my husband insisted this was necessary)ÃÂ which puts more stress on the lateral epicondyles of the elbow joint. This occured about 15 years ago and I was 50 at the time. My suggestion is don't take lessons from your husband take them from a pro.
ÃÂ Robert
ÃÂ Robert
I hit a cow with a penalty stroke once.ÃÂ She seemed to enjoy it.ÃÂ I ended up married, and got a son out of the deal.
Not a bad deal overall,
Dick
Robert,
Robert,
There was a time when Shot Tracker showed an actual animated hole and green, with the ball position following each shot. Of late, I am only able do get a single line print result update, of each shot, at the top of the full leaderboard, under MY Leaderboard. Am I failing to click on the right thing, or has the animated fairway and green been done away with in shot tracker. I've ran out of ideas to try for getting it to display.
Robert:
Robert:
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ By now I am sure that you know DJ finished today at -2 to get to even Par for the tournament.ÃÂ 4 birdies and 2 bogies.ÃÂ GO DJ!
ÃÂ
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Amos
Not that I am aware of,
Not that I am aware of, Although, I am sure that there are particular parts or tenants of any and all societal philosophies with which I would agree, and others with which I would disagree. Very seldom is a societal philosophy either all bad or all good.
I certainly am tired of the 1% not being satisfied with making millions off the backs of a working class and Now feel the need and greed to make billions rather than the measly millions they used to be satisfied with. It seems that the middle/working class piece of the pie, continues to shrink to smaller and smaller portions.
Hitting off mats, for me, is
Hitting off mats, for me, is another cause of both tennis and golfer's elbow.ÃÂ It is less of a problem using the Surge Swing because you are not hitting down on the ball so much, but there is still the occasional mis-hit where your club slams into the mat.
If your driving range has only mats, it helps to bring your own rubber tee to the range.ÃÂ Trim the rubber tee very low so that a ball perched on it is slightly off the mat.
Mom and pops thrived for a
Mom and pops thrived for a long time under the constitution and it kept government out of the way.
Now the bureaucrats and courts ignore the constitution and regulate mom and pop out of business or never let them start up at all.
A lot of businesses started from an idea and a sign on the door. Now you need an idea, a sign on the door, a team of lawyers, a couple of lobbyists with a pocketful of money to keep the EPA off of your back, another pocketful of money to pay for all of the required licenses. Then about the time the business is taking off the environmentalists decide that the fire ant hill out back needs to be protected and the ditch full of trash you cleared to let the water drain away from the building puts you in violation of the federal wetlands protection policy.
Last fall I developed
Last fall I developed "trigger finger" on middle finger of left hand, which I do not believe affected my swing, however shortly after my left knee became very painful (medial collateral tendon). I was doing strengthening exercises after a couple of weeks when I noticed a book on my book shelves that I had put away 6 or 7 years ago. I reread it and have been following the exercises since. I think the message is great.ÃÂ It was written by Pete Egoscue and is titled, Pain Free, a Revoluntionary Method for Stopping Chronic Pain.ÃÂ It works for me.
I'm seeing the Shot Tracker
I'm seeing the Shot Tracker just fine without being a registered user.
ÃÂ Well since the stated
ÃÂ Well since the stated goal of the Energy Secretary is for our prices to be as high as yours, and we are well on our way to the "goal" it doesn't feel all that "lucky". ;-)
Pretty good racket though, for everybody except Joe Common.
He's driving 50 miles to work because all of the mills in his county are shut down because the plants relocated overseas. He is working for minimum wage and it takes a third of his bring home pay to get back and forth to work, and the bag of groceries he can afford each week is getting lighter and lighter. He would like to sell his house and move closer to work but the value of his house is half of what he owes on it because there is no demand for a house in his county anymore so he's stuck there.
They are taking his money in taxes and giving it to the oil companies to drill on his (public) land producing an excess of domestic oil which is exported to China giving the oil companies record quarterly profits which are further enhanced by letting speculators artificially drive up the price outside of demand.
Then they take even more of Joe's money and dole it out to their political buddies that each have a hair brained scheme for " green energy" and a near bankrupt company to produce it. In six months the half billion dollars of Joe's money given to each of the companies is gone, with it's executives living happily ever after on a Riviera somewhere.
Joe was hoping that if they open up the new oil fields he would get a better job on the pipeline but the project was stopped by the EPA because the energy to get energy was emitting enough carbon dioxide that one of the local swamp frogs was not croaking as much as it did last year and he might be endangered.
Timely video today. ÃÂ I am
Timely video today. ÃÂ I am just recovering from over 4 mos. of horrible inner elbow pain-Golfer's Elbow, due to my own wrong swing thought & techniques. ÃÂ Tennis Elbow is on the outside of your elbow, where as the version called golfer's, medial epicondylitis, is inner. ÃÂ Took 3 mos. off the game, then went thru 5 weeks of Physical Therapy. ÃÂ I caused this on one outing with over extension into and past the ball in my lead left arm. ÃÂ I found in a range session with my hybrids how I gained over 10 yds. of length. ÃÂ Then, that same feel/thought I wrongly applied on the course, even with irons where we typically have more ground interaction.
Ffactors I learned thru research causing this: Over-gripping, use of computer mouse/ergonomics issue, and bad technique with arms as in this video post. ÃÂ Besides P.T. for recovery, one can get a flexbar, wear a Band-It brace, and make sure your grips are cleaned up & tacky to prevent over squeezing. ÃÂ I am a lefty who plays righty, so everything in normal day life was painful for my case. I have always felt comfortable with all aspects of the PPGS, but this time I did a variation into it that was unnecessary. ÃÂ Many others have had to go into graphite shafts for their irons for more relief.
I was able to watch shot
I was able to watch shot tracker on the animated hole thing Thursday so I guess it's still the same. Haven't tried it today. I'll give it a shot.
Edit: Yeah I just clicked on "DJ Trahan's Scorecard" in the left column and clicked on "follow on shot tracker" then when shot tracker loads with the full field I find DJ's name down the list and click on his name and it takes me to his individual shot tracker where the animated hole is keeping track of his shots.
I still use some exercises
I still use some exercises from that book. I used to also have a copy, but I made the mistake of loaning it to a friend.
I think it might be a glitch
I think it might be a glitch in my Google Chrome. I need to try it in Firefox with the next tournament.
Here is what I am getting now.When I go to the PGA Tour home page, I scroll to live scoring and click on shot tracker from the drop down menu. This brings up the full Leaderboard under Shot Tracker.
I have a new heading/category of (My Leaderboard) that I do not recall having before. This is directly above the Full Leaderboard heading and says "click the plus below to add a player" when I click on the plus below, which used to directly install/bring up the hole animation, It Now just adds that player to a new line under (My Leaderboard) which is the same as that line under The Full Leaderboard, but in a new separate location, where I can have my own Leaderboard or Queue of just the players I'm interested in following, but no animation.
Now, occasionally by playing with the Custom Picks and Full Field Tabs, I can get it to come up, but not always. When I sign in though, I click on the same drop down Shot Tracker, then just click on any name in the Full Leaderboard and it goes directly to an animation hole by hole of that player.
It seems to be working properly without signing in on Firefox, but the next tournament will let me know for sure.
A little long winded to say, I think it's just a glitch in my Chrome browser, that wasn't there before. Even uninstalled Chrome and re-installed, but it's still there.
That sums things up fairly
That sums things up fairly well Steve. As my dear ol' Dad said many a time when the subjects involving politics came up,
"It's all Bullsh!t". Thing is we talk about what we are leaving our kids in this world. Hmmnnnn...., that's what my parents talked about. So the sad truth is we're the kids that are now grown up and dealing with it. Our kids will necer know how cool it was to have low rent and cheap gas. Remember when a double scoop of expensive quality 31 flavor ice cream was 24 cents?
I know, don't get you started.
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ So how bout Tiger and Graeme? Should be fun to watch.
Hope DJ has astrong finish.
Most of the time tennis elbow
Most of the time tennis elbow is in the outside of the lead elbow from pulling through and golfers elbow is in the inside back elbow from pushing through with the throwing motion.
I would have thought there wouldn't be enough stress to get golfers elbow in the lead arm unless the elbow was bent and hyper-extended rapidly or a lot of force was used to stop the club momentum after impact.
I've never had golfers elbow (in either elbow, knock on wood) but have had tennis elbow from playing tennis and welding.
I'm wondering if maybe some people are hurting themselves by having both arms fully extended at impact and if they accidentally hit it fat off of a hard surface there is no give.
With the right arm still bent a little it's like a shock absorber.
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PGATour.com has a Leader
PGATour.com has a Leader Board, which will expand to show the scorecards for individual players, but not the hole diagrams, and Shot Tracker, which shows everything (but is sometimes flakey or questionable when looking at anyone other than the big name folks).
I just got robbed at the gas
I just got robbed at the gas station. It's getting real bad over here. I called the cops and they asked if I knew who did it. "It was pump #5," I replied.
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Very odd. As I said, I can
Very odd. As I said, I can get the Leaderboard page, which acts as you describe, and the Shot Tracker page. Amusingly, Shot Tracker in Safari will not go to the individual or group tracking pages with the hole-by-hole animations. I have to use Firefox to get those (I don't use it for much else anymore because the latest MacOS update has made Firefox the slowest browser on the planet).
ÃÂ Those with all the money,
ÃÂ Those with all the money, make all the rules. Always have, Always will. Even in this new world, rich land and slave owners decided to draft their own constitution and become their own Empire to protect their new freedom of wealth. The greatest freedom they desired was money and power over the Other Common People flocking to the available cheap land. ÃÂ
Big Oil profits pile up
$902 billion: Total profits for the five biggest oil companies in the United States, 2001-2010 (in 2011 dollars).$32 billion:
Total Big Oil earnings, first quarter of 2011. Exxon Mobil alone accounted for $10.7 billion of that figure.38 percent:
Big OilâÂÂs first-quarter-2011 profit increase over the first quarter of 2010.28 percent: Increase in gasoline prices compared to 2010.
53 percent: Portion of their profits that both Exxon Mobil and ConocoPhillips spent repurchasing stock to drive up their companiesâ share values in the first quarter of 2011.
$8 billion: The amount of first-quarter profits the big five companies spent on stock buybacks.
Steve:
Steve:
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Taking a big divot on thin turf over hard pan soil will definitely give one "golfer's elbow" or wrist and maybe shoulder also.ÃÂ After about 3 of those, you either become a "picker" - or find another sport!
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Amos
Thanks again, but your info
Thanks again, but your info did not help much, so I continued to try other stuff and figured it out. In order to get the animated fairway and green with ball shot location displayed, you NOW have to be a registered user and signed in to the site, and use custom picks. I used to get that without having to sign in, but not any more.
For any who haven't registered, it really does make following a single player more visibly enjoyable. You actually see the hole and green layout and ball position of each shot.
The world ALMOST makes sense again.
Don, Iam' 63 years old and I
Don, Iam' 63 years old and I just started playing this game 2 years ago. I try to copy your swing best asÃÂ I can and I am shooting in the mid 80's to low 90's. My problem is that I hit the ground bahind the ball about 40 percent of the time and it messes up my game big time. How can I stop this. I took a lesson at a driving range and it helped butÃÂ I can't get rid of the problem.ÃÂ ÃÂ Dan from Wilmington N.C.
Glad to hear copper works for
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ÃÂ It should beÃÂ a good
ÃÂ It should beÃÂ a good game today.