Do Both Arms Ever Break In The Swing?

1/2 " is the length of the next club

The distance difference is:

1. Length of shaft
2. Kick of shaft
3. Loft of club (I don't think that they are the same)

Length of shaft has to be determined by the player as to what fits them dynamically and what they can control.  I don't know your WTF but I would think a standard 38" 5 iron would be fine for you assuming the proper grip.  Proper grip is not all the way out on the butt end.  There should be about a thumb's wide of grip showing from the back side of your left hand.

Gary, since our discussion about elbow pain I came across a daily video that may help you. I hope you see this and view it.http://swingsurgeon.com/DailyVideos/t...

Craig, you are so right. We need to reinforce the same basic concepts over and over. I have noticed that Surge automatically includes several of the basics in nearly every daily reminder. He knows it always comes back to fundementals.

I have a habit of gripping all the way at the butt of the grip probabably why I lose it a little at the top makes sense but working on getting in the habit of choking down 1/2 - 3/4 " 
 I dont think my muzonios are cut in half inch increments they maybe less maybe a 1/4 I will half to check my blue print to see.

Thanks  

Steve,

I thought about it, but i have a youtube channel where i record and sing to music.

I have recently been thinking of uploading to a site such as MetCafe.. if i post a link here, people could reply on here that way perhaps?- helping all.

Thanks

Callum

Sounds like you're getting some great suggestions from Robert Tony. I would add that while working on getting your grip right, place a band aid on that area while playing. I make extra efforts to protect my hands even often wearing two gloves. Because of my line of work I cannot allow my hands to callused or sore spots. There are sports tapes you can buy too that are very effective and are more cost effective than band aids.
As for re-gripping, it has been suggested by Surge that often re-gripping is caused by not having a firm set grip in the first place. I find that I am best served by what I call "set it and forget it." Once I have a firm grip it is set and done, no fidgeting, just keep it equal with both hands from start to finish focusing on your swing and target and not the hands.

Surge calls this "soft cupping" in the right hand going back as the forward wrist and hand remain relatively straight as the "string" and the left or forward hand stays flat, then they are both straight and equally flat for a mila second at and a fraction past impact, then the back or right arm becomes the string and right wrist flat and the left takes the roll of a "soft cupping wrist" more so as we reach the top of our FUS.
For a detailed explaination see;

http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Da...

Marilyn, think in terms of maintaining your posture and spine angle, this may help. http://swingsurgeon.com/DailyV...
You'll see that head and spine stay steady until impact and then head and posture comes up into the finished position. Two drills are given, the shadow drill and hand slap. Be sure and take look and see this helps.
good luck and.....
PMG!!

With the anticipation of Surge, Greg and DJ coming to town in less than two weeks from now I am renewing my zeal to get things right. I am narrowing down which areas of my swing need the most attention so my time with them will be the most productive. Plus I want to be swinging vertically and half way decent before the tournament.
Here's one routine I've started at home to groove the right things.
#1 The towel drill http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Da...
#2 The swingrite   http://tmgolf.sports.officeliv...   
#3 Golf club, no ball  http://swingsurgeon.com/DailyV...
All of these above drills I am doing in my backyard without a balls or a net. Hope to buy a net soon. However practicing without a ball seems to free me up to groove the correct motions better.

Getting things right is really a 5 step process;

1-learn the motion, ie., towel drill, butt on the wall, set up ect.
2-practice the motions without a ball
3- hitting balls with that correct motion
4- hitting balls to a specific target with alignment sticks and going through all the set up process until it becomes ingrained.
5- finally, being able to take it to the course.

My biggest challenge has been starting with my lower body and the bump and then finishing vertical with the right hand close to my left ear. I redicovered the value of the towel drill this morning and am inspired. I then followed with  the swing right and then my pw using that same feel and motion of the towel drill. Awesome! Now to take it to the range and finally repeat on the golf course.
PMG!!

Thanks Surge, I will see what happens again tomorrow.   I really like your help.    If I could only stay down, it would help...

Thanks again,
marilyn

115 balls in 30 minutes!!!  No wonder your back hurts!  That's a ball every 15 seconds-no way to practice.  Slow down, take your time, anf focus on each shot.  30-45 balls in 30 minutes is more like it; bet your back won't hurt as badly, and your golf game should improve as well.

Hi Don,
Thanks very much for the Surge swing.  Golf is fun again. I have been having good success getting a feel for the swing by doing a drill that is a multipurpose combination of some of the drills on your website.  If you do the butt against the wall drill in a hallway you can simultaneously practice the first part of the takeaway, with the clubhead against the baseboard drill, the backward upswing and even the bump and start of the forward upswing .  This can all be done in slow motion with a headcover on the clubhead to protect the wall and if desired one of those add on rubber weights near the clubhead to increase feel. Added benefits of this hallway drill are a real feel for square and parallel alignment and a great check for spine constant head and spine angle positions throughout the swing. You also can get a very good visual of square impact as the clubhead comes back to the baseboard in slow motion after starting the bump and see the start of the forward upswing. I hope that all of this makes sense and will help someone.
All the best.
Dave

KEN,

I thought the same thing, until I re-read his comment. I realized that he said the pain started, 1/2hr after returning home, not that he hit all those balls in 1/2hr. To hit 115 balls in 30min, would be one ball every 15.7 seconds.

PMG

Maralyn, I know what you mean by "If I could only stay down" but beware of that thought, it could lead to problems
If your dominant thought is "staying down", the act of hitting up & getting to the T finish AFAP will be hindered greatly
You may well be served better by not letting that thought becoming grooved in - it can be destructive & kill fluidity in an otherwise good swing

Cheers Jack

Back at the range this evening, and alls not well.

Whereas last time i was hitting consistantly well with a small fade, today i was hitting perfectly consistant..consistantly inconsistant!

Hooks, LOTS of slices, pushes, pulls, about 15% were straight and felt amazing.

Also, my lower backs still giving me lots of pain. Can anyone advise on how to stop using the torque so much? After 115 balls and half an hour after returning home, my back is EXTREMELY stiff and painful. I feel very restricted in movement.

I cant seem to think why i've changed from a swing starting to feel great recently, and a huge confidence knock. Guess thats all part of amateur golf!- always coming off thinking "tomorrow i'll crack it"

To end on a lighter note, my swing felt a bit better once i really pushed my knees out in a house shape style. Stopped me changing my spine angle and grounding my driver.

Callum

It sounds like you may be regripping, or on the other side you may be giving it a death-grip. Both are no-nos. The recommended grip pressure is about 3 on a scale from 1 to 5, applied with the last three fingers of the forward hand and the middle two on the back hand when you're using an overlapping grip (since the overlap really takes that back pinkie out of the equation). The thumb and index finger of each hand is not squeezed, as that would activate the wrong muscles in the forearm.

You've misunderstood me. It was 115 balls in just under 1 1/2 hours. The 30 minutes was indicating i'd been home 30 minutes. Sorry.

DON, WHEN YOU TAKE THE CLUB BACK UP THE TREE WHAT IS YOUR KEY TOO
MAINTAIN SPINE ANGLE?
RSPEL

You've misunderstood me. It was 115 balls in just under 1 1/2 hours. The 30 minutes was indicating i'd been home 30 minutes. Sorry.

One other thing to check. Are you taking big divots or hitting behind the ball? One of the reasons the PPGS is easier on the body is the decreased impact with the ground from the "swing up" philosophy. Taking thin divots skimming off the grass rather than digging into the ground.

Robert,
I too have been at the course every day this week working on my weakness in the golf swing. Some improvement. I am really looking forward to Vegas and meeting you.
See you then.
Hal

A few powerful Surge swing thoughts that he mentions in today's video I've been focussing on recently during practice or getting the feel of when making a practice swing (before swinging the feel):

Left arm (or leading arm) over the toe line on the BUS
Upper right arm (trailing arm) over toe line when swinging up to T finish

These simple but powerful concepts seem innocuous and are easily overlooked or dismissed but boy do they work well :-)  Regards, Craig

You've misunderstood me. It was 115 balls in just under 1 1/2 hours. The 30 minutes was indicating i'd been home 30 minutes. Sorry.

Practice, and maintaining a firm base through the slight outward pressure on the knees. Turn only to the toe line and lift only as far as you can without lifting yourself out of your angle. Practice this in front of a full length mirror to see how far you can go.

Likewise Hal. It's going to be a great week.

Many thanks Steve, i really do appreciate your support. I've got better gear to work with, but i dont have the time as of late.

I guess i could use my work email (i've exhausted all my other emails on previous accounts haha!)

As always, thanks

Went to the range last night and took my son so he could tryout the APII’s that I reshafted for him with KBS tour 90 regular flex shafts shaft length starting at 37.75 with the 5 iron and cut from there in ½ in increments. I hit them side by side with my Mizuno’s the APII’s are a little straighter or tighter shot pattern on average than the Mizuno’s but a half a club to full club shorter on distance and are to light for me.
My question to Doc would be my mizuno 5 iron length is fitted at 38” final length 38.1 would a 1/4 - 1/2 inch shorter in iron length make that much difference? 
 In the late 1970s to early 1980s the typical 3-iron for men was 38.5 inches with all other irons decreasing in half-inch increments to the wedges now the typical five iron is 38 “ . Just curios if I would be better off with a 5 iron at 37 1/2 inches what is the typical length 5 iron you generally fit people into in general terms.
Not questioning my fitting and am very happy with my mizuno’s just curious.
Roger

If Bill did MOI matching, they are probably built in .4" increments which would mean that by the time you get to the PW, it would be 1/2" or more over standard.

Hello Gary,

Without seeing your swing, it is tough to make a proper diagnosis.  However, I suspect that in trying to maintain a straight left arm during the swing, You might be overdoing things, and actually hyper-extending your left elbow.  Your left arm should be straight and firm during the takeaway and back swing, but You should not be locking your elbow in the straight position.

I hope this helps You, and perhaps one of the other longtime Surgites has another take.

Hit'em Long and Straight,
Bob

Hi Don:
Love your videos and the swing. Question about the left wrist on the forward up swing. Rather than keeping a flat wrist, it appears that the best way to get to the t-finish, and not swing into the burial ground, one needs to let the left wrist bend back toward the arm fairly quickly after contact. Does the wrist bend while getting the toe up into the catcher's mitt? I hope so, because doing a toe up to toe up seems to work very well that way.
Thanks

Doc

Yes that is correct they are MOI matched.  My son now has possession of the APII's he hit them and liked them I changed them for him he only plays once are twice a month with his friends.

The Mizunos Bill built I really like I do tend to grip at the butt end of the grip and need to work on that and regripping the right fingers at the start of the back up swing and alignment which gets aligned to far right which results in hooks and pulls. I was just curious about the shaft length .    

Gary,
I would add that the key here too is you have started doing something, a physically athletic activity that you have not done in several years. Do you exercise in general and maintain fitness? My point is you are using joints and muscles in a way that you have not for some time. If that's the case, some strain and soreness should be expected regardless of the swing method. Ice, rest, and gentle stretching while taking it slow could be the recomendation. Be patient with your body aches as this may be a normal reaction to a new activity. You may be wise to also use an Ace syle elbow rap or soft brace while playing and practicing. It may be a mild case of golfers (also called tennis) elbow. Very common. My wife was new to golf a couple of years ago and had a similar strain. After taking it easier and then gradually building up her strength she no longer suffers from that challenge. You'll be okay. Just back off a little and understand that the golf swing while relatively benign, it is very repetative with all clubs accept the putter. You will adjust with time and care.