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Hey Dragonhead,
Hope you're well. nice to hear from you:)

Steve

Wtg...I like the submarine pitcher approach.  I read your comment before I watched the video and headed to the backyard to try it.  It felt like a couple of things happened: 1. The bump was not forced (something I've been fighting since Doc mentioned a while back to just not worry about and just let it happen) and 2. It felt like I increased the lag and gained some clubhead speed.  I'm not sure of either one of those, but I hope to find out tomorrow when I get out.

It just may be one of those little things that create "aha" moments that just clicks.  Lord only knows I need all of the "aha" moments I can get...lol.

Thank

Lynn42

Good point about the hesitation allowing the lower body to move first. Robert--can you try something I'm going to suggest? See if you can feel the difference between a swinging rhythm that goes "one-two", where "one" is the upswing and "two" is the downswing. Then try "one-and-two", where the downswing is held until the "two". That "and" is where the hesitation/pause takes place. The arms stop before "and" and swing down on "two." I'm beginning to think that this is a personal comfort thing that depends on which rhythm pattern a person is more comfortable with.

To each according to their needs.

I recently had a complete fitting for irons.  Kept same heads, but went to Rifle 5.5 flighted shaft.  Couple of things of note.

Played in 20-25 wind Saturday.  I kept playing for the cross wind, but the ball wasn't moving.  At end of round I remember the fitter saying my spin rate was high and the wind would really affect the ball flight.  He lowered the spin rate with new shafts.  So, was what i experienced because of lower spin?

Other thing.  My existing club heads were P O O R L Y constructed.  Over half the clubs had wrong lofts and the lie angles were all over the place.

Nice to have all that fixed!

Steve, Honorable mention in the Daily. Congrats.

Hi, Steve. Nice, thoughtful post about lag.  We have some common ground and some divergent opinions.  I agree with the part about staying within the wheel,  the part about the difficulty of controlling any additional lag a person can create due to flexing the wrists, and the mechanics have to be sound.  At the current time, though, my personal physiology (lack of flexibility in my wrists) causes a problem for me on getting enough "natural" lag, if there is such a thing.  When I hold my arms and wrists as if to use a rotational swing with a 90 degree angle between my right forearm and the clubs shaft, there is no stress in my wrists.  But as soon as I turn the club vertically, I cannot hold the angle without forcing it.  This means that I cannot get the same lag with the vertical swing than the rotational swing (which my arthritic back won't let me use).  Surge says to swing fastser, and this will make up somewhat for the loss of lag in my case, and I guess I can make calculations to see if gaining, say, 10% in arm swing speed will make up for 10% loss in lag. 

Like you, I hope that the uncontrollable aspects will disappear.  I hope that I have enough athletic gifts that will allow me to add tweaks to the basics that enhance performance.  Successful athletes seem to be able to use technique and mechanics that call for above average athletic ability.  I guess I have to hope I have them.  Past history indicates that I have a chance.

Dan,
Thanks for the update about your fitting session, keep us advised as to the route you take. I can see where you would be tuckered out after that many swings and the drive. When I go see Doc towards the end of the month, I'm looking at a 6 hour drive and it's still up in the air as to whether the wife and Josh are going to go or I'm going solo.
 I will definitely be getting a notebook as well, I'm about half through this last apprentice class and then I have a short rigging class the four days before my trip to Columbia, and plan on a lot of golf practice and play come July since I will be off the entire month.
 Boog

Coach:

   I have cataracts in both eyes -- Surgery tenatively planned for sometime this fall. I do experience tha same problem you mention i.e. the ball disapperaring at about 150-160 yards -- or whenever it is on the ground and rolling at about that range.

   About 2 or 3 times a day I must look like "Indians circling a wagon train" as I search for a "lost" ball in the fairway - and usually find it in the tree shadows cast by early morning light.
 
   Note: my eyes have always been "glare senseative" from an early age, so I always wear sungleasses and either a billed cap or better yet a straw hat (similar to Surge's)  If I blame the cataracts on anything enviromental, it would have to many years of long hours on a CAD/CAM computer system, coupled with many hours on the home pc also. 

    The best thing I have found for it is colored golf balls, specially the Orange ones. Now, if only Bridgestone would make some Orange balls.  I know the e6's come in Yellow, but I have not seen any other colors in any of the rest of their line.

     Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

     Amos

Surge, First off, like you I am extremely sensitive to light and wear my sunglasses constantly. I suppose it's a combination of welding for the past 34 years and boilermaking the last 26 and working night shift for most of those.
 Great video about the variance we can have in our swing parameters & thoughts that help us connect the dots of the Surge swing. I always had trouble with the skipping the rock concept when I first started the swing until I got my swingrite from Doc. It was amazing the difference that training aid has made in my swing,  after the first session with it, I noticed in the blog that someone mentioned the skipping the rock and thought why not and gave it a go. Up to that point every time I had tried the move it was fat & chunky city but since its become second nature.
 Thanks for the great daily tips, your swing, the great people you surround yourself with and all the bloggers here for their help & insights.
 Boog

Glenn

I think that was explained again because one of our trolls  was complaining about Surge wearing sun glasses  while doing a video a few days ago.

Dick

Dick

Maybe because I need tham more than you do.  Btw, I asked Jack to take yours and send em to me.  It's part of my wealth redistribution program.  ;0)

Great addvice played yesterday and shot an 80 for the first time... My score should have been lower, but I left a lot of putts short. Working on my putting for sure. Can't wait to shoot in my 70s!!! Avg score 89 to 92...

Many thanks Robert for your time and useful information which is very much appreciated.

 I wish you lots of goos shots ahead in your forthcoming golf matches and I am sure we will discuss agian in the near future..

     Have a nice evening.
           Harry.

Dragonhead, I second that, I always like your insightful posts. Good to hear you're doing better. The sun never sets on the SN.

Secondary spine angle -- getting steep...HELP

Surge, I really, really struggle with ringing the bell, skipping the rock, etc.  I think I've captured most of the SurgeSwing basics, but this one has me pulling my hair out.

My brother (2 hndcp rotational swing) noticed how steep I was and said, "You're not doing the bump, Surge speaks of."  I said, I know -- I can't seem to figure it out.

He then suggested a small change in my set-up.  He had me set up "normally" and then he pushed on my right hip (righty) so it would move forward about 1" and tilt my spine angle.

It really seemed to make all the difference for me.  Is this slight set-up adjustment allowing me to make the BUMP more easily?   It is a lot easier for me to do this BEFORE the swing as compared to trying to remember the bump in the middle of the swing.

Would love for you to comment on this set-up adjustment!

Coach:

 see if this one works

 Amos

I wonder how long it takes a gifted athlete to change a swing, especially one that was developed over years and years of practicing until the swing become effortless?  In Tiger's case, I wonder if his difficulty with his new swing lies in the swing or in the time he has had to make it as automatic as his old swing? 

Steve,

Both of the UFOs are now IFOs - bugs on the lens of the camera. They appear to be baby flies.

Kevin

Steve Smith:

   I feel your pain, Brother -- been there, done that  OUCH!

   Amos

Gotcha, T and mine is the same!

Coach

Trolls are maggots.

Dick

Steve:  Very nice swing!  And congratulations on having the Surge talk about your swing thought.  Awesome!  R2

Keith Kent3: Try the Cactus drill Keith. I started doing this again yesterday before I started swinging the club after an enforced lay off of around three weeks.Helped me to remember that this is all we need to encompass the total parameters of the swing.
Stand in the "Stick 'em up Mister" in the manner of the old Wild West. Then tilt forward about 30degrees. Now swing your forward hand and arm up to the palm of the rear 'cactus' arm[BUS]. Repeat the process with rear 'cactus' arm to meet the palm of the forward hand[FUS] It may give you the feeling you are missing. Incorporate the submarine skipping rocks movement and I am sure that you will click! Good Luck. Dragonhead

Doc:

    No problem Doc.  my message was simply a test reply to Coach.  But you knew that already.

    Amos

Are you talking about the Casio EX-FH25 camera? I have seen the high speed video from it and it rocks!

Speaking of new lights. I live on a city street. There is a street light directly across the street from the end of my drive. About a week ago the city came by and changed out all of the street lights in my area to some kind of a Newer, Brighter, Soft glow, almost blue, like the new headlights, type of bulbs. I can now sit on my front porch and read the paper at night without having to turn my light on. I'm glad my bedroom is at the rear of the house.